sardus pater 70 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 il sistema della gomma dispari lo utilizziamo da tempo anche io e Habanero, funziona alla grande e permette un caricamento facile mantenendo tutto ordinato. metto una foto dove uso questo sistema abbinato a un carrello autocostruito dotato di pulegge con sfere inox sulla base del modello della scatolina di Enrico Businaro di cui ho parlato nel precedente messaggio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 infatti da un anno circa, soluzione molto valida ma un po più complessa per i fusti a V... provo a rimettere le foto quando torno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pakystunt Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) IL Sistema della gomma dispari evo utilizziamo da tempo anche io e habanero, funziona alla grande e permette un Caricamento lak mantenendo tutto ordinato. metto una foto dove uso questo Sistema abbinato UN carrello autocostruito dotato di pulegge con Sfere inox Sula baze del Modello della scatolina di Enrico Businaro di cui ho parlato nel precedente messaggio.  Good idea!!! It would be good to leave little wood between rubbers to get some extra strenght in body of gun. With 3x17,5 i have some incurvation of gun body Edited December 4, 2014 by Pakystunt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) sardus ma anche tu lo avevi visto te l ho fatto vedere nel chat ricordi? cmq certamente almeno un annetto fa.Anche fabbri e altri lo videro, ma non ero riuscito ancora a combinare il vela puro e la connessione dei due carrelli statici per il volcan. Da li poi il mach con quella riduzione che abbiamo realizzato con dino.Sto riprovando a caricare ste benedette foto... un mom[/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/gsh15sk0b/Viewdowns.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/8ci9wt2dn/image_1.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/8f25jn617/image_2.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/pyq51lah7/image_3.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/shbu29w7f/image_4.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/8qjlwemh7/image_5.jpg [/url]">http://http://s25.postimg.org/td8bhq5vv/image_9.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/jilrp8rbf/image_10.jpg  qui qualche paragone di peso fra bozzelli classici di quelli buoni e la nuova versione di carrelli dedicati combinata con componenti in titan g5 e tenax da 2.5 che funge da telaio.[/url]">http://http://s25.postimg.org/c2r3h6szv/image_213.jpg Edited December 4, 2014 by Fonzis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) °/°[/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/xrpzl1v7v/image_212.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/lbt9rb1vv/image_211.jpg   [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/ju38207rf/image_210.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/94pj9qvyj/image_29.jpg [/url]">http://s25.postimg.org/jdi0fkk0b/image_28.jpg [/url]">http://http://postimg.org/image/glyqoylhn/'>http://s25.postimg.org/glyqoylhn/image_27.jpg Edited December 4, 2014 by Fonzis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 qui il risultato di pesca della prima uscita di tornado.... anzi tornadino un rollerino piccino piccino [/url]">http://http://postimg.org/image/6jfd8hh6z/'>http://s25.postimg.org/6jfd8hh6z/biturbozero.jpgadesso vediamo se riesco ad estrapolare un tiro a -42 su un dotto e tagliarlo per metterlo in video.... forse riesco a fare anche la moviola Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited)  IL Sistema della gomma dispari evo utilizziamo da tempo anche io e habanero, funziona alla grande e permette un Caricamento lak mantenendo tutto ordinato. metto una foto dove uso questo Sistema abbinato UN carrello autocostruito dotato di pulegge con Sfere inox Sula baze del Modello della scatolina di Enrico Businaro di cui ho parlato nel precedente messaggio.  Good idea!!! It would be good to leave little wood between rubbers to get some extra strenght in body of gun. With 3x17,5 i have some incurvation of gun body  Try renforce the body with some fibers.... without changing a lot.... my suggestion to you, leave it like it is just renforce if you can, add two knots where they should be and a central rubber for the initial pretension and precharging.....and you transform your vela into a Volcan (vela Vacondised version hihih)The simple vela is for pussys (joke) Edited December 4, 2014 by Fonzis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sardus pater 70 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Fonzis, scusa ma non capisco, sono anche andato a riguardarmi i messaggi personali che ci siamo scambiati ma non ho trovato niente riguardo a elastici centrali singoli o carrellini particolari. ho visto il progetto cad di un fucile ma non quello che hai postato adesso, che tra l'altro montava ancora gli agganci in metallo per due coppie di elastici, forse ti stai confondendo con qualcun altro.Mario Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) Fonzis, scusa ma non capisco, sono anche andato a riguardarmi i messaggi personali che ci siamo scambiati ma non ho trovato niente riguardo a elastici centrali singoli o carrellini particolari. ho visto il progetto cad di un fucile ma non quello che hai postato adesso, che tra l'altro montava ancora gli agganci in metallo per due coppie di elastici, forse ti stai confondendo con qualcun altro.Marioè possibile, lo hanno visto in molti e un anno e mezzo è passato non 1.... ma tanto oramai l abbiamo postato è irrilevante a chi l ha fatto prima, solo i polli non ci sarebbero arrivati fino ad oggi..... this is the power of freesource  Hai ragione ho appena guardato anche io, erano 2 altri attivi di qui, tu ed efisio avete visto il lockmate doppio, quello che alcuni dicevano che è stretto su i doppi..... logico se È stato fatto propio per i zero biturbos Edited December 4, 2014 by Fonzis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pakystunt Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited)   THE system of rubber odd evo use for some time and even I habanero, works great and keeping everything tidy Allows Loading lak. I put a photo where I use this system coupled A homebuilt cart equipped with pulleys with steel balls Sula baze of the Model of the box of Henry Businaro I Mentioned in the previous message.  Good idea !!! It would be good to leave little wood between rubbers to get some extra strength in body of gun. With 3x17,5 i have some incurvation of gun body  Try renforce the body with some fibers .... without changing a lot .... my suggestion to you, leave it like it is just renforce if you can, add two knots where they Should be a central and rubber for the initial pretension and precharging ..... and you transform your sailing into Volcan (sailing Vacondised version hihih)The simple sailing is for pussys (joke) Tnx for idea, with this setup 2x17,5 + 1x16 (all sailing) i have 27ms on 4meters with 8mm 135 spear. You think That pretension on only one rubber is enought, or you want to say That 6 rubers(3) of pretension on my gun is too is too much? hehe Edited December 4, 2014 by Pakystunt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited)    THE system of rubber odd evo use for some time and even I habanero, works great and keeping everything tidy Allows Loading lak. I put a photo where I use this system coupled A homebuilt cart equipped with pulleys with steel balls Sula baze of the Model of the box of Henry Businaro I Mentioned in the previous message.  Good idea !!! It would be good to leave little wood between rubbers to get some extra strength in body of gun. With 3x17,5 i have some incurvation of gun body  Try renforce the body with some fibers .... without changing a lot .... my suggestion to you, leave it like it is just renforce if you can, add two knots where they Should be a central and rubber for the initial pretension and precharging ..... and you transform your sailing into Volcan (sailing Vacondised version hihih)The simple sailing is for pussys (joke) Tnx for idea, with this setup 2x17,5 + 1x16 (all sailing) i have 27ms on 4meters with 8mm spear. You think That pretension on only one rubber is enought, or you want to say That 6 rubers(3) of pretension on my gun is too is too much? hehe exact! the initial KG's that your shaft needs can be reached by eliminating a couple of rubbers if you choose the advanced vela version named volcan.Now you have a direct demoltiplication from start to the end, that means you have the half of the full band KG charged. In reality you are using double speed for half traction weight.The volcan conversion consists of 2 knots that stop the demoltiplication in the last 12 to nearly 20cm before the gun head. Sense of the demoltiplication stopping should be obvious. Without it you have full KG on the shaft in the first 12 to 20 cm, depends how long the gun is and how many cm you give, after it the pullys leave the knots and it becomes a demoltiplicated like you have from alone. The advantage, your traction starts with more KG that normally you give to the shaft with more rubber. Better knots instead rubber no?Due the hard charging of this volcan system and the upcoming mach, we turned in unpair rubber configurations instead pairs Charging 1 rubber centrally and standalone as first is the key for a practical volcan for all day use without make to much effort to charge it.Pratically it looks like that https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/578891_345574368858976_476045319_n.jpg?oh=2cee4cff2b7894d9c44731be94b528e1&oe=54FFE445&__gda__=1426384292_34a1736e8ee3062c01aa5d37c59f86ef Edited December 4, 2014 by Fonzis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pakystunt Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014     THE system of rubber odd evo use for some time and even I habanero, works great and keeping everything tidy Allows Loading lak. I put a photo where I use this system coupled A homebuilt cart equipped with pulleys with steel balls Sula baze of the Model of the box of Henry Businaro I Mentioned in the previous message.  Good idea !!! It would be good to leave little wood between rubbers to get some extra strength in body of gun. With 3x17,5 i have some incurvation of gun body  Try renforce the body with some fibers .... without changing a lot .... my suggestion to you, leave it like it is just renforce if you can, add two knots where they Should be a central and rubber for the initial pretension and precharging ..... and you transform your sailing into Volcan (sailing Vacondised version hihih)The simple sailing is for pussys (joke) Tnx for idea, with this setup 2x17,5 + 1x16 (all sailing) i have 27ms on 4meters with 8mm spear. You think That pretension on only one rubber is enought, or you want to say That 6 rubers(3) of pretension on my gun is too is too much? hehe exact! the initial KG's that your shaft needs can be reached by eliminating a couple of rubbers if you choose the advanced vela version named volcan.Now you have a direct demoltiplication from start to the end, that means you have the half of the full band KG charged. In reality you are using double speed for half traction weight.The volcan conversion consists of 2 knots that stop the demoltiplication in the last 12 to nearly 20cm before the gun head. Sense of the demoltiplication stopping should be obviously. Without it you have full KG on the shaft in the first 12 to 20 cm, after it the pullys leave the knots and it becomes a demoltiplicated like you have from alone. The advantage, your traction starts with more KG that normally you give to the shaft with more rubber.Pratically it looks like that https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/578891_345574368858976_476045319_n.jpg?oh=2cee4cff2b7894d9c44731be94b528e1&oe=54FFE445&__gda__=1426384292_34a1736e8ee3062c01aa5d37c59f86ef Yes I understand, Thanks a lot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014      THE system of rubber odd evo use for some time and even I habanero, works great and keeping everything tidy Allows Loading lak. I put a photo where I use this system coupled A homebuilt cart equipped with pulleys with steel balls Sula baze of the Model of the box of Henry Businaro I Mentioned in the previous message.  Good idea !!! It would be good to leave little wood between rubbers to get some extra strength in body of gun. With 3x17,5 i have some incurvation of gun body  Try renforce the body with some fibers .... without changing a lot .... my suggestion to you, leave it like it is just renforce if you can, add two knots where they Should be a central and rubber for the initial pretension and precharging ..... and you transform your sailing into Volcan (sailing Vacondised version hihih)The simple sailing is for pussys (joke) Tnx for idea, with this setup 2x17,5 + 1x16 (all sailing) i have 27ms on 4meters with 8mm spear. You think That pretension on only one rubber is enought, or you want to say That 6 rubers(3) of pretension on my gun is too is too much? hehe exact! the initial KG's that your shaft needs can be reached by eliminating a couple of rubbers if you choose the advanced vela version named volcan.Now you have a direct demoltiplication from start to the end, that means you have the half of the full band KG charged. In reality you are using double speed for half traction weight.The volcan conversion consists of 2 knots that stop the demoltiplication in the last 12 to nearly 20cm before the gun head. Sense of the demoltiplication stopping should be obviously. Without it you have full KG on the shaft in the first 12 to 20 cm, after it the pullys leave the knots and it becomes a demoltiplicated like you have from alone. The advantage, your traction starts with more KG that normally you give to the shaft with more rubber.Pratically it looks like that https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/578891_345574368858976_476045319_n.jpg?oh=2cee4cff2b7894d9c44731be94b528e1&oe=54FFE445&__gda__=1426384292_34a1736e8ee3062c01aa5d37c59f86ef Yes I understand, Thanks a lot  ur welcome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fonzis Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) https://vimeo.com/113650722mmmmmbah... la qualità fa pena.... Edited December 4, 2014 by Fonzis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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